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><channel><title>Reason To Stand &#187; paradox</title> <atom:link href="http://reasontostand.org/archives/tag/paradox/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://reasontostand.org</link> <description>Faith strengthened through evidence.</description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 19:50:17 +0000</lastBuildDate> <language>en</language> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>Is Libertarian Free Will a Myth?</title><link>http://reasontostand.org/archives/2010/01/25/is-libertarian-free-will-a-myth</link> <comments>http://reasontostand.org/archives/2010/01/25/is-libertarian-free-will-a-myth#comments</comments> <pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:00:35 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Wes Widner</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[apologetics]]></category> <category><![CDATA[doctrine]]></category> <category><![CDATA[philosophy]]></category> <category><![CDATA[polemics]]></category> <category><![CDATA[theology]]></category> <category><![CDATA[causal determinism]]></category> <category><![CDATA[determinism]]></category> <category><![CDATA[free will]]></category> <category><![CDATA[libertarian free will]]></category> <category><![CDATA[paradox]]></category><guid
isPermaLink="false">http://reasontostand.org/?p=752</guid> <description><![CDATA[I recently debated the relationship between libertarian freedom and God&#8217;s sovereignty with a dean of a reformed seminary in Colorado Springs. During our discussion He told me that libertarian freedom is a myth. Here&#8217;s my response: To claim that libertarian free will is a myth is to introduce a logical paradox in that we disagree, [...]]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I  recently debated the relationship between libertarian freedom and God&#8217;s sovereignty with <a
href="http://basketoffigs.blogspot.com/">a dean of a reformed seminary</a> in Colorado Springs. During our discussion He told me that libertarian freedom is a myth. Here&#8217;s my response:</p><blockquote><p>To claim that libertarian free will is a myth is to introduce a logical paradox in that we disagree, where do our disagreements and confusion come from if not from our own free wills/minds? Either we (and everything) is causally controlled (not just determined from eternity past) or we aren&#8217;t. If we are, and if you maintain that God is the puppeteer<sup><a
href="http://reasontostand.org/archives/2010/01/25/is-libertarian-free-will-a-myth#footnote_0_752" id="identifier_0_752" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title="Calvinists whine about this comparison all the time claiming it is an unfair characterization. Unfortunately, the shoe fits and I haven&amp;#8217;t heard a reformed person (who doesn&amp;#8217;t hold to Molinism, which excludes them from being classically reformed) offer any reason why such a characterization is not warranted yet. I&amp;#8217;m always open to rebuttals, though, so if you can offer a reason as to why this characterization doesn&amp;#8217;t fit, feel free to comment below!">1</a></sup>, then God becomes the one who essentially disagrees with himself.</p><p>You also seem to be confused (as evidenced by the host of straw men you&#8217;ve managed to manufacture) as to the motives behind the desire of people like myself to uphold the doctrine of libertarian freedom<sup><a
href="http://reasontostand.org/archives/2010/01/25/is-libertarian-free-will-a-myth#footnote_1_752" id="identifier_1_752" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title="Unfortunately many people who hold to reformed doctrine assume that opponents to the notion of causal determinism (like me) hold their positions out of willful defiance or stubborn pride. Sadly, this shows how poorly educated even many proponents of reformed theology are. Sadder still is the fact that the existence of credentials (like a Phd.) makes little difference when it comes to willful ignorance of the honest philosophical difficulties detractors may have to their position.">2</a></sup>. You seem to think, along lines common to many Calvinists I&#8217;ve noticed, that my motives are to lower God or exalt man. Nothing could be farther from the truth which is quite the opposite. If we slaughter libertarian freedom (which includes the power to act against God&#8217;s wishes/will) then you end up pinning all sin, destruction, evil, etc. on God which, as Job&#8217;s friends quickly found out, brings God no glory.</p><p>The bottom line is that while not verse in Scripture trumps another<sup><a
href="http://reasontostand.org/archives/2010/01/25/is-libertarian-free-will-a-myth#footnote_2_752" id="identifier_2_752" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title="For the life of me I don&amp;#8217;t understand why reformed proponents can&amp;#8217;t accept that our differences lie not in the text, but in our interpretation of the text which includes our philosophical presuppositions. For this reason I loathe the challenge of &amp;#8220;Oh yeah? Show me that in scripture!&amp;#8221;">3</a></sup>, it is our sacred duty to uphold all of the tenets of Scripture (including libertarian freedom and God&#8217;s predestining) with equal tenacity. If we uphold one aspect of God&#8217;s character above others we bring God no glory and do not do justice to a faithful and honest search for truth. God&#8217;s love or creative choice to allow conscious beings other than himself to exist is in no conflict with his sovereignty, omnipotence, or omniscience.</p></blockquote><ol
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id="footnote_0_752" class="footnote">Calvinists whine about this comparison all the time claiming it is an unfair characterization. Unfortunately, the shoe fits and I haven&#8217;t heard a reformed person (who doesn&#8217;t hold to <a
href="http://reasontostand.org/archives/2009/11/09/molinism-free-will-and-divine-sovereignty-living-in-harmony">Molinism</a>, which excludes them from being classically reformed) offer any reason why such a characterization is not warranted yet. I&#8217;m always open to rebuttals, though, so if you can offer a reason as to why this characterization doesn&#8217;t fit, feel free to comment below!</li><li
id="footnote_1_752" class="footnote">Unfortunately many people who hold to reformed doctrine assume that opponents to the notion of <a
href="http://reasontostand.org/archives/2009/12/02/wordy-wednesday-causal-determinism">causal determinism</a> (like me) hold their positions out of willful defiance or stubborn pride. Sadly, this shows how poorly educated even many proponents of reformed theology are. Sadder still is the fact that the existence of credentials (like a Phd.) makes little difference when it comes to willful ignorance of the honest philosophical difficulties detractors may have to their position.</li><li
id="footnote_2_752" class="footnote">For the life of me I don&#8217;t understand why reformed proponents can&#8217;t accept that our differences lie not in the text, but in our interpretation of the text which includes our philosophical presuppositions. For this reason I loathe the challenge of &#8220;Oh yeah? Show me that <em>in scripture</em>!&#8221;</li></ol><p><!--[if IE]><iframe
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