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isPermaLink="false">http://reasontostand.org/?p=1636</guid> <description><![CDATA[Stephen Hawking doesn&#8217;t know what created the universe, but he&#8217;s sure God didn&#8217;t do it. So says Mr Hawking in his recent follow-up to his best selling book &#8220;A Brief History in Time&#8221;. In his 1988 book, A Brief History of Time, Hawking had seemed to accept the role of God in the creation of [...]]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen Hawking doesn&#8217;t know what created the universe, but he&#8217;s sure God didn&#8217;t do it.</p><p><a
href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/sep/02/stephen-hawking-big-bang-creator">So says Mr Hawking in his recent follow-up</a> to his best selling book &#8220;A Brief History in Time&#8221;.</p><blockquote><p>In his 1988 book, A Brief History of Time, Hawking had seemed to accept the role of God in the creation of the universe. But in the new text, co-written with American physicist Leonard Mlodinow, he said new theories showed a creator is &#8220;not necessary&#8221;.</p></blockquote><p>Interesting that he won&#8217;t say what created the universe,  but somehow he is absolutely sure God isn&#8217;t a candidate. Odd how that works.</p><p>&#8220;It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the universe going.&#8221;</p><p>Ok, well then _what did_? Mind you, purely physical theories won&#8217;t work here specifically because physical forces do not decide to create and, being physical, fall prey to the simple laws of thermodynamics and entropy. So a metaphysical force is needed (as Hawking himself noted in his first book). So what is it? And why does he feel confident in ruling out God as a possible answer?</p><p>&#8220;The fact that we human beings – who are ourselves mere collections of fundamental particles of nature – have been able to come this close to an understanding of the laws governing us and our universe is a great triumph.&#8221;</p><p>How can a guy who is so brilliant commit the most basic of logical fallacies? He is assuming exactly what he supposedly is setting out to prove. Sorry, but it is far from settled that we &#8220;are ourselves mere collections of fundamental particles of nature&#8221;. That&#8217;s exactly what is at issue! However, assume we accept this at face value. Why does it not follow that mere particles of nature can understand anything?</p><p>So it seems that Mr Hawkings, in his quest to rid the universe of the God particle (which logically follows since as mere physical particles of nature, there must be a particle in some of us that predisposes us to belief in God), Mr Hawkings is willing to embrace a larger epistemological issue.</p><p>Good luck Mr Hawkings.</p><p>UPDATE: <a
href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1308599/Stephen-Hawking-wrong-You-explain-universe-God.html">Here is an excellent in-depth rebuttal to Mr Hawking by Dr John Lennox.</a> And <a
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isPermaLink="false">http://reasontostand.org/?p=1216</guid> <description><![CDATA[[HT Apologetics315, Wintry Knight, Thoughtful Christianity] One of my favorite recurring debates in Christiandom is the one of young earth creationism vs. old earth creationism. There are many nuances such as the appearance of age, whether death existed before the fall, etc. Here are two excellent debates on the subject between Hugh Ross&#8217;s ministry reasons.org and Ken [...]]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[HT <a
href="http://apologetics315.blogspot.com/search/label/debate">Apologetics315</a>, <a
href="http://winteryknight.wordpress.com/2010/04/01/jason-lisle-and-hugh-ross-debate-the-age-of-the-earth/">Wintry Knight</a>, <a
href="http://www.brianauten.com/Apologetics/oldearth-youngearth-debate.mp3">Thoughtful Christianity</a>]</p><p>One of my favorite recurring debates in Christiandom is the one of <a
href="http://reasontostand.org/archives/2009/05/27/young-earthold-earth-the-debate-rages-on">young earth creationism vs. old earth creationism</a>. There are many nuances such as the <a
href="http://reasontostand.org/archives/2010/03/01/appearance-of-age">appearance of age</a>, whether death existed before the fall, etc.</p><p>Here are two excellent debates on the subject between <a
href="http://www.reasons.org/">Hugh Ross&#8217;s ministry reasons.org</a> and <a
href="http://www.answersingenesis.org/">Ken Ham&#8217;s ministry, Answers in Genesis</a>.</p><p><a
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href="http://www.brianauten.com/Apologetics/oldearth-youngearth-debate.mp3">Hugh Ross/Walter Kaiser vs. Ken Ham/Jason Lisle</a></p><p><!--[if IE]><iframe
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url="http://www.brianauten.com/Apologetics/oldearth-youngearth-debate.mp3" length="41522906" type="audio/mpeg" /> </item> <item><title>Appearance of age</title><link>http://reasontostand.org/archives/2010/03/01/appearance-of-age</link> <comments>http://reasontostand.org/archives/2010/03/01/appearance-of-age#comments</comments> <pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 12:00:48 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Wes Widner</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[doctrine]]></category> <category><![CDATA[general]]></category> <category><![CDATA[musings]]></category> <category><![CDATA[philosophy]]></category> <category><![CDATA[science]]></category> <category><![CDATA[appearance of age]]></category> <category><![CDATA[cosmology]]></category> <category><![CDATA[creation]]></category> <category><![CDATA[genesis]]></category> <category><![CDATA[origins]]></category> <category><![CDATA[universe]]></category> <category><![CDATA[young earth]]></category><guid
isPermaLink="false">http://reasontostand.org/?p=891</guid> <description><![CDATA[While debating with a fellow Brother in Christ1 whether Darwinian evolution could be reconciled with the creation account of Genesis I was recently asked whether it&#8217;s plausible the earth could have been created with the appearance of age. Here&#8217;s my response: The short answer is: no. Simply put; it is impossible for God to lie [...]]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While debating with a fellow Brother in Christ<sup><a
href="http://reasontostand.org/archives/2010/03/01/appearance-of-age#footnote_0_891" id="identifier_0_891" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title="As far as I can tell anyway.">1</a></sup> whether Darwinian evolution could be reconciled with the creation account of Genesis I was recently asked whether it&#8217;s plausible the earth could have been created with the appearance of age. Here&#8217;s my response:</p><blockquote><p>The short answer is: no.</p><p>Simply put; it is impossible for God to lie according to <a
class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews+6%3A18&version=47" target="_new">&#72;&#101;&#98;&#114;&#101;&#119;&#115;&#32;&#54;&#58;&#49;&#56;</a> and deliberate deception surely falls into that category.</p><p>That said, I do agree with you that the earth is, in all likelihood, far older than 10,000 years and animals did probably live and die long before the Genesis account of creation.</p><p>I hold to a modified version of the gap theory and have no problems with long time frames or the notion of <a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microevolution">micro-evolution</a> or change within a species.</p><p>However, when it comes to humans, we are told that mankind began with a literal Adam and a literal Eve. <a
href="http://blog.beliefnet.com/jesuscreed/2009/12/tim-keller-on-adam-and-eve-rjs.html">Jesus himself also confirms that life began with a literal Adam and Eve</a> in the New Testament, and if he was mistaken then we have much bigger problems (of the theological nature) to deal with.</p><p>I wholly agree that there is much we don&#8217;t know. But there are things we do know (especially things that have been revealed to us by an omniscient being) and we should strive to keep our beliefs between the lines (so to speak) of what has been clearly revealed. Speculation on the rest (like why God created the mosquito) is all well and good.</p><p>However, since science has been proven faulty far more than God has (not that the two are inherently at odds) so I suggest that a wise approach would be to not allow our scientific findings to color our theology. Mostly because it generally leads to the unfortunate consequence of revising our theology every time scientists change their minds/interpretations.</p></blockquote><ol
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isPermaLink="false">http://reasontostand.org/?p=880</guid> <description><![CDATA[The term &#8220;prime mover&#8221; comes from book 12 of Aristotle&#8217;s Metaphysics where he argues for the existence of an unmoved mover which sets all causes and effects in motion. In recent times it has been popular to think of the prime mover in terms of a cue ball which starts a chain reaction of balls [...]]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The term &#8220;<a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primum_movens">prime mover</a>&#8221; comes from book 12 of Aristotle&#8217;s <a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphysics_(Aristotle)">Metaphysics</a> where he argues for the existence of an <a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unmoved_mover">unmoved mover</a> which sets all causes and effects in motion.</p><p>In recent times it has been popular to think of the prime mover in terms of a cue ball which starts a chain reaction of balls hitting other balls on a pool table so that, while the prime mover was involved and required for the initial impact, it&#8217;s effect and influence on the resulting chain reaction of causes and effects is essentially nill.</p><p>However, in Aristotle&#8217;s view, the prime mover was required not only for the initial cause (ie. big bang) but for subsequent reactions as well since they all derive their energy from the prime mover<sup><a
href="http://reasontostand.org/archives/2010/01/13/wordy-wednesday-prime-mover#footnote_0_880" id="identifier_0_880" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title="Aristotle considered the prime mover to be raw energy or a &amp;#8216;force&amp;#8217;.">1</a></sup> which must remain in the picture for there to be any subsequent causes or effects.</p><blockquote><p>For in him we live and move and have our being.&#8217; As some of your own poets have said, &#8216;We are his offspring.&#8217; -<a
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