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isPermaLink="false">http://reasontostand.org/?p=1076</guid> <description><![CDATA[I ran across a recent Tweet via Google Buzz that read: Would we be more pious than Jesus? &#8211; &#8220;I am not praying for the world but for those whom you have given Me&#8221; &#8211; &#74;&#110;&#32;&#49;&#55;&#58;&#57; During the course of our conversation on the implications of the thought expressed above I come up with the [...]]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I ran across <a
href="http://www.google.com/buzz/114898940645093942803/Lsouq3pHw8k/Would-we-be-more-pious-than-Jesus-I-am-not-praying">a recent Tweet via Google Buzz</a> that read:</p><blockquote><p>Would we be more pious than Jesus? &#8211; &#8220;I am not praying for the world but for those whom you have given Me&#8221; &#8211; <a
class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jn+17%3A9&version=47" target="_new">&#74;&#110;&#32;&#49;&#55;&#58;&#57;</a></p></blockquote><p>During the course of our conversation on the implications of the thought expressed above I come up with the following logical argument for God&#8217;s loving the whole world as opposed to a small segment of it per reformed theology.</p><p>Per the ontological argument: We can never be more pious than Jesus.</p><p>Since love for the whole world is better than love for a particular &#8220;favored&#8221; group (per Jesus&#8217;s own admonition that it is more admirable to love one&#8217;s enemy than it is to merely love one&#8217;s friend).</p><p>We can see that it logically follows that God must love the whole world and not merely a segment of it since failure to do so would entail the illogical conclusion that we are, per the initial comment, &#8220;more pious&#8221; than the God who is the very definition of good.</p><p>No, it&#8217;s not very polished and I invite comments and thoughts on it, but I figured its a pretty good start!</p><p><strong>UPDATE:</strong><br
/> A friend of mine pointed out that I should probabally post a little more showing my thought process and why I think my arguement fits in with &#8220;ontology&#8221; in general.</p><p>Ontology is the study of &#8220;being&#8221; and the sense I&#8217;m using it in here is along the lines of the <a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontological_argument#Descartes.27_ontological_arguments">ontological argument for God&#8217;s existence</a> specifically Descartes&#8217; formula:</p><p>1. Whatever I clearly and distinctly perceive to be contained in the idea of something is true of that thing.<br
/> 2. I clearly and distinctly perceive that necessary existence is contained in the idea of God.<br
/> 3. Therefore, God exists.</p><p>Here, though, I&#8217;m attempting to show that God does indeed love the whole world in opposition to the Calvinistic doctrine that God only &#8220;effectively&#8221; loves a small subset known as the elect.</p><p><!--[if IE]><iframe
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