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		<title>Handbook for explosive subjects</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 11:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Wes Widner</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Recently our small church decided to take on the controversial topic of homosexuality. Not in spite of the controversy, but because of it. Now I realize that many of you will read that and think that we are intentionally trying to be divisive and unloving but the reality is that our goals are quite the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-534" style="margin: 5px;" title="explosion" src="http://reasontostand.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/explosion.jpg" alt="explosion" width="400" height="300" />Recently our small church decided to take on the controversial topic of homosexuality. Not in spite of the controversy, but because of it.</p>
<p><span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Now I realize that many of you will read that and think that we are intentionally trying to be divisive and unloving but the reality is that our goals are quite the opposite.  Our aim in discussing this topic is to learn how to handle conflict in a more Christlike manner. How to maintain unity in the midst of sharp differences without compromising our deeply held beliefs but, at the same time, while still loving each other and maintaining a humble and teachable spirit.</span></p>
<p>Why risk the hurt, pain, sorrow, division, etc.?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been party to a number of debates that have gone sour. Many that have gone past the point of not only wounding feelings and damaging long-held relationships to outright hatred. I&#8217;ve been party to some debates that have ended up putting a wedge in otherwise deep and intimate relationships (or so I thought) to the point where I haven&#8217;t talked to them in years (except for the occasional sniping).</p>
<p>I share that to let you know that I take very seriously the risks and dangers inherent in what I&#8217;m proposing. I understand that we are playing with fire and that some will get burned. However, as Augustine mentions in his famous &#8220;City of God&#8221; in reference to those who don&#8217;t wish to examine Christianity for fear of being converted (and I&#8217;ll paraphrase): Standing far off from the sun not only keeps you from getting sunburned, but it also prevents you from enjoying it&#8217;s warmth.</p>
<blockquote><p>Intimacy comes with risks.</p></blockquote>
<p>The question we have to ask ourselves is whether we are content to remain at a superficial level or if we want to risk going deeper and get to know each other in a more meaningful sense.</p>
<p>This is a serious question and a scary proposition for many people because it also means that, while we get to know others we are likely to find out they are far more broken than we have bargained for.</p>
<p>We will also find out that we are far less saintly than we like to imagine.</p>
<blockquote><p>Love is messy.</p></blockquote>
<p><span style="background-color: #ffffff;">How do we plan on accomplishing this?</span></p>
<p><span style="background-color: #ffffff;">If our chief concern were mere unity and superficial agreement, then we certainly would not take this path. However our goal is truth, whom we also believe to be a person in the form of Jesus Christ.<sup>1</sup></span></p>
<p><span style="background-color: #ffffff;">In this respect, I believe that our only hope of surviving, and indeed thriving, is to keep our eyes firmly fixed on three main truths found in Scripture when it comes to controversy.</span></p>
<h2>Mind the logs in our eyes</h2>
<p>Jesus told us that before we take on the responsibility<sup>2</sup> of correcting others we ought to first examine ourselves. Likewise we are told by James that our own evil desires are the source of the divisions among us (not the topic!) and that accordingly our tongues are among the greatest weapons of mass destruction known to man.</p>
<p>In our quest for truth we have to keep our finiteness in mind and remain teachable, no matter how convinced we are that we are right.</p>
<p>One seminary professor put it to his students this way: What would it take to convince you to walk away from the faith? If you answer is nothing then you should reexamine Scripture because yours is not the faith of the Bible.</p>
<p>Put simply, people who can never be persuaded or shown wrong are incapable of intimacy and do not value truth.</p>
<h2>Stick to the facts</h2>
<p>Since we are not omniscient we have no insight into the intentions of others and, as such, all of our arguments must be constrained to the realm of facts, reason, and evidence.</p>
<p>Not having either a theological degree or a computer science degree (<a href="http://werxltd.com/wp/">my other love</a>) I&#8217;ve learned to rely on facts and well formed arguments when making my case. Since I can&#8217;t use the &#8220;well this is how I was taught to do it in/by &#8230;&#8221; approach (which I&#8217;ve also found doesn&#8217;t work even if you insert the most prestigious names), I have to essentially rely upon tactics that are meant to persuade, as opposed to force, the other person to convince them of my position on any given topic. What I&#8217;ve also found using this approach is that quite often the other person will have something I hadn&#8217;t considered to bring to the table which, while derailing me from my original point for a time, adds to both of our understandings rather than subtracting from it.</p>
<p>So if we are to have any hope of getting to and understanding the truth (which is what we should be seeking after as of paramount importance)  we need to exhaustively study any subject we hope to engage in<sup>3</sup> and we need to limit our comments and questions to the subject at hand<sup>4</sup>.</p>
<h2>Above all else, love</h2>
<p>This is far easier said than done, of course, but our whole goal of intentionally discussing such a controversial issue is to strengthen and expand the free-flow of communication between us. After all, if we claim to be the members of the same body we should understand that our head, that is Christ, was extremely divisive in his day when it came to the ruling religious majority but yet he managed to do so in a spirit of truth and love. Consequently, <a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians+4%3A15&version=47" target="_new">&#69;&#112;&#104;&#101;&#115;&#105;&#97;&#110;&#115;&#32;&#52;&#58;&#49;&#53;</a> tells us that we should &#8220;speak the truth in love&#8221;.</p>
<p>Coupled with the description in 1 Corinthians 13 of what love is, and using the example Jesus himself set, we should weigh our comments and arguments against what we know of those we are talking with. This has the dual benefit of also helping us more effectively engage the world around us (that is, people in the world around us) by teaching us to temper the truth we are convicted of from our diligent study.</p>
<p>The road marked out ahead of us is not going to be easy, and we covet any and all prayers on our behalf as we walk through this minefield. However we also know the pearl we hope to gain, that is real and genuine community centered on the truth with a  willingness and ability to engage each other and grow spiritually, is certainly worth the cost.</p>
<p>Ultimately the charge to pick up our crosses and engage in explosive (and often hurtful) subjects can be stated this way:</p>
<p>Jesus didn&#8217;t leave us where he found us, so the least we can do for our brethren is not to leave them the where we find them.</p>
<p>Happy debating!</p>
<ol class="footnotes"><li id="footnote_0_467" class="footnote">Incidentally, <a href="http://de-conversion.com/2009/10/23/a-bible-command-that-backfires/">even non-christians have noted the inconstancy and illogical way</a> in which passages such as <a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Titus+3%3A10&version=47" target="_new">&#84;&#105;&#116;&#117;&#115;&#32;&#51;&#58;&#49;&#48;</a> have frequently been used to quell &#8220;divisive people&#8221; rather than taking these as an opportunity for genuine growth.</li><li id="footnote_1_467" class="footnote">Notice I said &#8220;before&#8221;, not &#8220;if&#8221;. One of the <a href="http://reasontostand.org/archives/2009/07/17/thou-shalt-not-judge">greatest misconceptions in the Christian community today is that we are not supposed to judge</a>. Quite the opposite. <a href="http://bible.cc/john/7-24.htm">We are to judge well</a> according to <a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+7%3A24&version=47" target="_new">&#74;&#111;&#104;&#110;&#32;&#55;&#58;&#50;&#52;</a>.</li><li id="footnote_2_467" class="footnote">This also means we should have a broad range of subjects we can speak intelligently on if we hope to do anything more than remain silent in most conversations that happen around us. Being learned in several subjects also has the added benefit of making us better and more interesting conversationalists which, surprisingly, makes people more interested in talking with us. This is a large part of the answer to overcoming the common fear of sharing our faith with others.</li><li id="footnote_3_467" class="footnote">The funny thing about rabbit trails is that they never, or very rarely, lead you anywhere productive. I think Paul would agree that an ordered meeting would include a clear discussion on one topic at a time so that everyone can keep up and participate.</li></ol><p><a class="a2a_dd addtoany_share_save" href="http://www.addtoany.com/share_save"><img src="http://reasontostand.org/wp-content/plugins/add-to-any/share_save_171_16.png" width="171" height="16" alt="Share/Bookmark"/></a> </p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>What is simple church?</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 03:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Wes Widner</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A friend of mine recently asked, &#8220;What is simple church and how is it different than what we normally call &#8216;church&#8217;?&#8221; Simple church is a pretty broad term and is rather hard to nail down. I think the best place to begin is to say that the aim (at least in the one I am [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A friend of mine recently asked, &#8220;What is simple church and how is it different than what we normally call &#8216;church&#8217;?&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_church">Simple church</a> is a pretty broad term and is rather hard to nail down. I think the best place to begin is to say that the aim (at least in the one I am in) is to be as close to the model of a church as portrayed in the Bible as possible.</p>
<p>Simple simply refers to the desire to jettison all the cruft normally associated with institutional organizations we mistakenly label &#8220;church&#8221; these days including programs, buildings, bulletins (which represent a strict order of worship), clergy (that is, we reject the common clergy/laity distinction as divisive to the Body of Christ), etc (more mentioned in <a href="http://frankviola.wordpress.com/">Frank Viola</a>&#8216;s excellent book, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/141431485X/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1/188-8215251-2446841?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&amp;pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&amp;pf_rd_r=0FNWJW0Z9Z18PSN9T8DM&amp;pf_rd_t=201&amp;pf_rd_p=486539851&amp;pf_rd_i=0966665732">Pagan Christianity</a>.</p>
<p>Another aspect of &#8220;simple&#8221; is that we strive to maintain a small group and will unhesitatingly spawn another group if/when ours grows beyond what can comfortably fit in a modest living room (around 20 to 30 people).</p>
<p>One of the different things we do, as a consequence, is maintain open-participatory meetings where every member is free to add and interject anything they wish. Many people cringe at this thought and wonder how such a meeting wouldn&#8217;t devolve into a complete chaotic mess. But this is where an odd reliance on the unifying and guiding power of the Holy Spirit comes into play, to the point (at least in the small group we&#8217;ve had the privilege of being a part of) where both order and mutual edification are possible. In fact, in this type of meeting we tend to see more mutual edification and instruction given because the burden of preparation and teaching do not fall on the shoulders of any single one of us but are instead borne by each of us who are given the gift of teaching which is far more Biblical than having these responsibilities rest in any single individual week after week.</p>
<p>Another interesting difference is in how we relate to each other and how we handle differences among ourselves. In our group we all come from a variety of backgrounds and theological persuasions which, on the surface at least, would seem to make the task of unity far more difficult than if we were to simply ascribe to a denominational profession of faith. However, what I&#8217;ve found is that our lack of confessions, creeds, and councils tends to make us far more willing to debate in love our differences as we know that our ability to disagree in love is a key element to our community&#8217;s continuing to exist. Our smallness and lack of a membership roll provides much more incentive for us to be more careful where we draw lines of division and makes us much more generous in our debates with each other.</p>
<p>Some excellent resources to help you get a better idea of what a simple church is (or ought to be) can be found at:</p>
<ul>
<li><span style="background-color: #ffffff;"><a href="http://simplechurch.com">simplechurch.com</a></span></li>
<li><span style="background-color: #ffffff;"><a href="http://house2house.com">house2house.com</a></span></li>
<li><span style="background-color: #ffffff;"><a href="http://reimaginingchurch.org">reimaginingchurch.org</a></span></li>
<li><span style="background-color: #ffffff;"><a href="http://ptmin.org">ptmin.org</a></span></li>
<li><span style="background-color: #ffffff;"><a href="housechurchresource.org">housechurchresource.org</a></span></li>
</ul>
<p>I&#8217;m by no means an expert. We&#8217;ve only been attending a local house church for the past couple of months. But what I&#8217;ve seen so far (and I thank God for the wonderful people we&#8217;ve met considering the horror stories we&#8217;ve heard) has been very good and meshes quite well with all the research I&#8217;ve done in the area of Biblical <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecclesiology">ecclesiology</a>.</p>
<p>The bottom line is that while most other places merely preach the priesthood of the believer in passing, it has only been in simple church where I&#8217;ve actually seen it put into practice.</p>
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		<title>Kissing campaign for peace</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 15:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Wes Widner</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;Greet each other with a Holy kiss&#8221; is a phrase used at least 4 times in the New Testament.1 Each time it is used, it is issued as an imperative, urging the readers to greet their fellow brothers and sisters in Christ with a Holy Kiss. But what is this &#8220;Holy kiss&#8221; and why don&#8217;t we practice it [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="size-medium wp-image-366 alignleft" style="margin: 5px;" title="The kissing lips" src="http://reasontostand.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/kiss-lips-350-300x224.jpg" alt="The kissing lips" width="300" height="224" />&#8220;Greet each other with a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_kiss">Holy kiss</a>&#8221; is a phrase used at least 4 times in the New Testament.<sup>1</sup> Each time it is used, it is issued as an imperative, urging the readers to greet their fellow brothers and sisters in Christ with a Holy Kiss. But what is this &#8220;Holy kiss&#8221; and why don&#8217;t we practice it any more?</p>
<p>When I was younger man I used to laugh along with my friends at this sentiment, imagining it to be some sort of first century dating scheme or pick-up line. While this notion of what a holy kiss is is still enough to produce giggles even from mature adults, I wonder how many people realize how important these commands are and why it is imperative that we  at least learn what a &#8220;holy kiss&#8221; meant in the first century and how, if properly practiced, such a sentiment could lead to much needed healing within the Christian community.</p>
<p>To begin with, the concept of kissing someone on the cheek by way of greeting is not particularly new or uncommon in many cultures. Many of us may think about the popular Hollywood, European, and middle eastern greetings which often involve a kiss on both cheeks. Some of us have even haven even seen (or have at least heard of culturally awkward stories which include) greetings involving a kiss on the lips. While these modern-day greetings come close, they don&#8217;t quite capture what Paul and Peter were trying to convey in their letters.</p>
<p>To get a good understanding of how we are to treat each other we need to take a closer look at James, specifically James chapter 2 where James discusses the equality of everyone who is a member of the body of Christ and how partiality and preferential treatment are out of place among a people who have all been graciously adopted into the family of God.</p>
<p>Next we need to understand that there exists strong evidence that the type of greeting advocated by Paul and Peter was normally reserved for close family and friends. In fact, a strong case can be made that many modern day greetings which utilize a kiss are really pale replicas of the genuine and heart-felt greetings performed in the first century.</p>
<p>A good example of how the greeting kiss can be (and was) perverted into a false display of kinship is seen in how Jesus himself was betrayed by Judas in the garden of Gethsemane<sup>2</sup>. What made it worse is that by many accounts the kind of kiss given by Judas was one which was sloppy and on the lips, two major social violations and displays of ingratitude</p>
<p>In fact, Jesus pointed out the failure of his hosts to greet him properly and points to a woman who not only poured out expensive perfume on Jesus but kissed his feet while drying them with her hair as an example they ought to follow.<sup>3</sup></p>
<p>The best example, however, of a proper kiss in the right can be seen in the greeting the father gives his son in the story of the prodigal son.<sup>4</sup> Hoping to merely be treated as a servant (an improvement from the situation in which he found himself) the son is surprised to be greeted as a son and given a ring displaying his restored status.</p>
<p>With this in mind let&#8217;s turn back to Paul and Peter&#8217;s admonitions to greet each other with a holy kiss and ask ourselves the simple question; &#8220;Do we really see our brothers and sisters in Christ as our family?&#8221; We certainly like to proclaim that we do, but as James also points out in his book, our actions speak far louder than our words.</p>
<p>What would we look like, as the body and bride of Christ, if we learned to truly embrace, love, and care for each other? How would it transform our discussions, debates, arguments, and our general attitude towards each other?</p>
<p>I can only dare to dream what such a change in heart would produce and look like, but I dare to say it would mean we would look a lot more like the church we read about in Acts which &#8220;had all things in common&#8221;<sup>5</sup>.</p>
<p>Such an authentic community might even be the answer to Jesus&#8217;s prayer in the garden right before he died for our sins.<sup>6</sup></p>
<ol class="footnotes"><li id="footnote_0_357" class="footnote"><a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Cor+16%3A20%2C+1&version=47" target="_new">&#49;&#32;&#67;&#111;&#114;&#32;&#49;&#54;&#58;&#50;&#48;&#44;&#32;&#49;</a> Cor 13:12, <a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Thes+5%3A25%2C+1&version=47" target="_new">&#49;&#32;&#84;&#104;&#101;&#115;&#32;&#53;&#58;&#50;&#53;&#44;&#32;&#49;</a> Pet 5:14</li><li id="footnote_1_357" class="footnote"><a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+14%3A45&version=47" target="_new">&#77;&#97;&#114;&#107;&#32;&#49;&#52;&#58;&#52;&#53;</a></li><li id="footnote_2_357" class="footnote">One of the few stories told in all four gospels: <a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mat+26%3A6-13&version=47" target="_new">&#77;&#97;&#116;&#32;&#50;&#54;&#58;&#54;&#45;&#49;&#51;</a>, <a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+14%3A3-9&version=47" target="_new">&#77;&#97;&#114;&#107;&#32;&#49;&#52;&#58;&#51;&#45;&#57;</a>, <a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+7%3A36-50&version=47" target="_new">&#76;&#117;&#107;&#101;&#32;&#55;&#58;&#51;&#54;&#45;&#53;&#48;</a>, <a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+12%3A1-8&version=47" target="_new">&#74;&#111;&#104;&#110;&#32;&#49;&#50;&#58;&#49;&#45;&#56;</a></li><li id="footnote_3_357" class="footnote">Like 15:20</li><li id="footnote_4_357" class="footnote"><a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+2%3A44&version=47" target="_new">&#65;&#99;&#116;&#115;&#32;&#50;&#58;&#52;&#52;</a></li><li id="footnote_5_357" class="footnote"><a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+17%3A1-26&version=47" target="_new">&#74;&#111;&#104;&#110;&#32;&#49;&#55;&#58;&#49;&#45;&#50;&#54;</a></li></ol><p><a class="a2a_dd addtoany_share_save" href="http://www.addtoany.com/share_save"><img src="http://reasontostand.org/wp-content/plugins/add-to-any/share_save_171_16.png" width="171" height="16" alt="Share/Bookmark"/></a> </p>]]></content:encoded>
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