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		<title>Another primer on Molinism/Middle Knowledge 2 of 2</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 12:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Wes Widner</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here is a follow-up to the exchange I posted on earlier wherein I received and answered a question from someone interested in learning more about the Biblical doctrine of Molinism/Middle Knowledge. &#8220;Now, I may be incorrectly understanding Craig&#8217;s explanation of how middle knowledge is supposed to have worked, but I believe he detailed a scenario in which [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a follow-up to the exchange I posted on earlier wherein I received and answered a question from someone interested in learning more about the Biblical doctrine of Molinism/Middle Knowledge.</p>
<p>&#8220;Now, I may be incorrectly understanding Craig&#8217;s explanation of how middle knowledge is supposed to have worked, but I believe he detailed a scenario in which God looked out before creation and saw an infinite host of &#8220;parallel universes&#8221; (my phrase) encompassing all possible individual choices of his creatures and &#8220;picked one.&#8221;"</p>
<p>There aren&#8217;t an infinite number of parallel universes. Middle Knowledge is of possible universes, the vast majority of which are not actualized. For example, one possible universe would be a universe with nothing in it except for empty space. Another possible universe might be one in which I married someone other than the woman I am currently married to. However there is no possible universe where 1+1 does not equal 2.</p>
<p>As for the choices entailed in each logically possible world, you also have to keep in mind that God&#8217;s own actions (or possible actions) are also contained within the mind (through divine omniscience) of God. I am confident that once you dwell on that for a little while you&#8217;re mind will be as blown as mine was when I first began to plumb the depths of what it means to say that our God is &#8220;the only wise God&#8221; (<a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+16%3A27&version=47" target="_new">&#82;&#111;&#109;&#97;&#110;&#115;&#32;&#49;&#54;&#58;&#50;&#55;</a>).</p>
<p>The possible worlds God possesses foreknowledge of, and what primarily constitutes what we call the middle knowledge of God is the knowledge of <a href="http://reasontostand.org/archives/2010/01/20/wordy-wednesday-counterfactual">counterfactuals</a>. These are facts or truthful statements of &#8220;what might-have-been&#8221;. They are not a part of God&#8217;s free knowledge</p>
<p>&#8220;That in some sense (and this is where my understanding may be flawed) human free will is pre-existent to the Creative Decree&#8221;</p>
<p>This is actually a variant on what is formally known as &#8220;the grounding objection&#8221;. The short answer to this apparently problem is that God&#8217;s foreknowledge of future free events is not based on the agents themselves but on God&#8217;s knowledge of himself (specifically his omniscience or knowledge of all things). His foreknowledge couldn&#8217;t be predicated on the agents whose choices are foreknown since the agents that are foreknown did not exist at some point in time (which would mean that God&#8217;s knowledge would be limited and finite). Rather, such future free actions of causal agents (which includes angels along with humans at the least) are whats known as &#8220;brute facts&#8221; which are logically along the lines of facts such as mathematics like the concept of 1+1=2.</p>
<p>So when God laments in <a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+6%3A6&version=47" target="_new">&#71;&#101;&#110;&#101;&#115;&#105;&#115;&#32;&#54;&#58;&#54;</a> he is not lamenting the actualizing of a world wherein free creatures would rebel in stunning (though not surprising) ways. But God&#8217;s lament is expressed within space and time (which is another rich topic) over the actualization of sin and rebellion. In short, just like Lazarus&#8217;s death was foreknown and even foreordained, Jesus still weeps in <a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+11%3A35&version=47" target="_new">&#74;&#111;&#104;&#110;&#32;&#49;&#49;&#58;&#51;&#53;</a> not because of a lack of knowledge in the formal sense (that is, being aware of facts) but because of a lack of experience (that is, the actualized event that was previously foreknown).</p>
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		<title>Another primer on Molinism/Middle Knowledge 1 of 2</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 12:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Wes Widner</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I recently received the following via a Facebook message (reposed with permission): Wes Pardon the unsolicited message&#8211;and I see that with your 3K+ friends, your ability to reply may be limited&#8211;but I&#8217;m a long-suffering &#8220;anti-Calvinist&#8221; who&#8217;s only now beginning to study Molinism. I noticed through Facebook&#8217;s VERY unprivate data search mechanisms that you are a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently received the following via a Facebook message (reposed with permission):</p>
<blockquote><p>Wes</p>
<p>Pardon the unsolicited message&#8211;and I see that with your 3K+ friends, your ability to reply may be limited&#8211;but I&#8217;m a long-suffering &#8220;anti-Calvinist&#8221; who&#8217;s only now beginning to study Molinism.</p>
<p>I noticed through Facebook&#8217;s VERY unprivate data search mechanisms that you are a fairly outspoken Molinist of sorts and some random comments I&#8217;ve read of yours lead me to believe you might be prepared to shed some light on a couple of things for me.</p>
<p>Previously, I&#8217;d developed a general aversion to any system of theology simply because I saw all &#8220;sides&#8221; of this or that debate simply bypassing a reconciliation effort in favor of a &#8220;these verses mean what they say, those don&#8217;t&#8221; approach. Now that I&#8217;ve dipped my toes in Molinism (via WLC&#8217;s defense of it in the book I&#8217;ve linked to), I&#8217;m at least hopeful. Now, I&#8217;m still trying to wrap my mind around some of the hermeneutic&#8217;s particulars, but there are two verses, one a proof text for the reformed crowd and one for the openness crowd, that I&#8217;m wondering how Molinism addresses.</p>
<p>Reformed: Eph. 1:11</p>
<p>Openness: Gen. 6:6</p>
<p>Whenever you could get back to me, that would be super. Thanks in advance for whatever time you can dedicate to it.</p>
<p>Sincerely<br />
Josh Lowery</p></blockquote>
<p>Since I love the doctrine of Molinism/Middle Knowledge I decided to try and give Josh as much information on the subject as I could in a single Facebook message. What follows, then, is sort-of the fire-hose method of discussing an otherwise deep and rich subject in a relatively short amount of time.</p>
<blockquote><p>Hey Josh,</p>
<p>Thanks for the message, unsolicited or not <img src='http://reasontostand.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I am indeed a huge fan of Molinism. As Thomas P. Flint mentions in his excellent work &#8220;Divine Providence: The Molinist Account&#8221;, Molinism&#8217;s twin pillars are God&#8217;s sovereignty and mankind&#8217;s limited free agency.</p>
<p>As to the specific verses you mentioned. I would argue that <a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Eph+1%3A11&version=47" target="_new">&#69;&#112;&#104;&#32;&#49;&#58;&#49;&#49;</a> is primarily referring to Christ and how our redemption is worked out ahead of time in him. Thus the &#8220;all things&#8221; are directly referring to the salvation brought about in Christ. Calvinists often point to this verse by way of saying that God causes all things. However <a href="http://reasontostand.org/archives/2009/12/02/wordy-wednesday-causal-determinism">the idea of causal determinism</a> has some very serious flaws.</p>
<p>The most significant of which is that it ends up making God culpable for all sin, evil, and suffering in the world. You can study more on this vein of thought through Alvin Plantinga&#8217;s Free Will Theodicy, (my favorite) Bruce Little&#8217;s Creation Order Theodicy, and (ok, another favorite) Udo Middleman&#8217;s Innocence of God.</p>
<p>I must admit I haven&#8217;t encountered <a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+6%3A6&version=47" target="_new">&#71;&#101;&#110;&#101;&#115;&#105;&#115;&#32;&#54;&#58;&#54;</a> used in the open theistic sense but having read a lot of Boyd I can certainly see how it could be portrayed that way.</p>
<p>Basically open theism is, in my estimation, the perfect opposite of the Calvinistic view. However the reason for this is that they both have a wrong understanding of what free will is. Both systems have a view that if God contains foreknowledge of future-free events then that somehow means that men are not free. WLC has an excellent book on this very subject entitled &#8220;Only Wise God&#8221; wherein he refutes this flawed understanding of free agency in connection with supreme sovereignty and by destroying the linkage of premises in the argument (that is, that 1. God&#8217;s foreknowledge inevitably means that 2. men cannot have free causal agency) he, in my estimation anyway, manages to utterly demolish both erroneous views while upholding what a plain reading of the text seems to indicate (that is, that God is sovereign and men&#8217;s choices are their own).</p>
<p>So yes, God can lament over the choices of men in <a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+6%3A6&version=47" target="_new">&#71;&#101;&#110;&#101;&#115;&#105;&#115;&#32;&#54;&#58;&#54;</a> and <a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+32%3A1-14&version=47" target="_new">&#69;&#120;&#111;&#100;&#117;&#115;&#32;&#51;&#50;&#58;&#49;&#45;&#49;&#52;</a>, as well as change the course of events in 2 Kings 20 in response to prayer all without sacrificing God&#8217;s foreknowledge, omnipotence, or without damaging God&#8217;s predestined plan for the universe.</p>
<p>How can this be? I believe you&#8217;ve rightly discerned what many people have believed intrinsically, even without knowing the formal theological system cobbled together initially by a Jesuit priest. That is the doctrine of Molinism or Middle Knowledge (as many prefer to call it now).</p>
<p>Unfortunately there has not been very much work done on the doctrine on Molinism/Middle Knowledge until recently. Now, however, there has been quite a flurry of work done from a very diverse theological crowd including some staunch Calvinists (like Alvin Plantinga!). In fact, one of the reasons I hold to the system of Molinism is because it has been such a unifying force along such a diverse group of orthodox Christians. I am forced to conclude that, like the extra-Biblical doctrine of the trinity, Molinism is a solid Biblical framework for understanding the interplay of God&#8217;s sovereignty and Mankind (and Angelic kind)&#8217;s limited free agency.</p>
<p>At any rate, <a href="http://reasontostand.org/archives/2009/11/12/resources-for-more-information-on-molinismmiddle-knowledge">here is a link to the best resources I&#8217;ve found on the subject</a> of Molinism/Middle Knowledge.</p>
<p>Also, <a href="http://reasontostand.org/archives/2009/11/09/molinism-free-will-and-divine-sovereignty-living-in-harmony">here is a brief outline I wrote on the doctrine of Molinism</a> a while back. And <a href="http://reasontostand.org/archives/2009/11/13/answering-the-grounding-objection-against-molinism">here is a post I wrote on the biggest objection to Molinism</a> (the grounding objection).</p>
<p>I hope that at least helps point you in the right direction. Let me know if you have any additional questions/thoughts/concerns. Even with 3k friends on Facebook I can always find time to talk about this topic (and many more).</p>
<p>Blessings,<br />
Wes</p></blockquote>
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		<title>For Esau I have hated.</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 12:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Wes Widner</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the most common proof-texts used to show that God arbitrarily elects some to salvation while damning others without merit or cause is &#82;&#111;&#109;&#97;&#110;&#115;&#32;&#57;&#58;&#49;&#51; As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. Many people have a hard time with this passage as it is often posited as evidence of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the most common proof-texts used to show that God arbitrarily elects some to salvation while damning others without merit or cause is <a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+9%3A13&version=47" target="_new">&#82;&#111;&#109;&#97;&#110;&#115;&#32;&#57;&#58;&#49;&#51;</a></p>
<blockquote><p>As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.</p></blockquote>
<p>Many people have a hard time with this passage as it is often posited as evidence of God&#8217;s sovereign choice unto election of Jacob and express damnation of Esau &#8220;before he had done good or evil&#8221;.</p>
<p>The first thing to note about this section is that the phrase &#8220;<a href="http://www.gotquestions.org/Jacob-Esau-love-hate.html">for Esau I have hated</a>&#8221; is derived from the words of the prophet Malachi who, in <a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Malachi+1%3A2-3&version=47" target="_new">&#77;&#97;&#108;&#97;&#99;&#104;&#105;&#32;&#49;&#58;&#50;&#45;&#51;</a>, was talking about the nations of Edom and Israel. In the same manner Paul, writing in Romans 9 after a lengthy discussion regarding the need for his fellow Israelites to repent, was discussing the lineage of the chosen Messiah. It is a very large exegetical stretch to come to the conclusion that Romans 9 is talking about individual salvation since the context is the messiah&#8217;s lineage. consequently, the pots mentioned in <a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+9%3A19-26&version=47" target="_new">&#82;&#111;&#109;&#97;&#110;&#115;&#32;&#57;&#58;&#49;&#57;&#45;&#50;&#54;</a> are not people but nations.</p>
<p>At this point, many (primarily from the reformed camp) will argue along the lines that &#8220;nations are made up of people&#8221;. While this is true, we are still a long ways away from a <a href="http://www.spurgeon.org/sermons/0123.htm">particular view of election</a>.</p>
<p><a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews+12%3A16&version=47" target="_new">&#72;&#101;&#98;&#114;&#101;&#119;&#115;&#32;&#49;&#50;&#58;&#49;&#54;</a> seems to indicate that Esau was a profane man but you don&#8217;t seem to think that God foreknew that or that such a knowledge could have played a part in God&#8217;s choosing. It seems plausible that the foreknown, freely made choice to sin was the basis for God&#8217;s hatred and condemnation of both the person of Esau as well as the nation that sprung from Esau&#8217;s loins; why then would we think that the same sort of freely chosen and foreknown transgressions wouldn&#8217;t be the basis of God&#8217;s choice to bring the promised seed through one and not the other?</p>
<p>For a more in-depth treatment of this subject I encourage you to listen to:</p>
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<li>Malcom Yarnell&#8217;s message <a href="http://peterlumpkins.typepad.com/peter_lumpkins/2010/01/dr-malcolm-yarnell-on-romans-9-gods-electing-purpose-by-peter-lumpkins-.html">&#8220;God&#8217;s Electing Purpose&#8221;</a> (<a href="http://peterlumpkins.typepad.com/files/myarnellchapelchapel093009_fd1.mp3">audio here</a>)</li>
<li>Ken Keathley&#8217;s message &#8220;<a href="http://apps.sebts.edu/multimedia/?p=294.">The Soulwinner&#8217;s Burden&#8221;</a> (<a href="http://apps.sebts.edu/chmessages/resource_2503/09-08-09_Dr_Ken_Keathley.mp3">audio here</a>)</li>
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		<title>Is Libertarian Free Will a Myth?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Wes Widner</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I recently debated the relationship between libertarian freedom and God&#8217;s sovereignty with a dean of a reformed seminary in Colorado Springs. During our discussion He told me that libertarian freedom is a myth. Here&#8217;s my response: To claim that libertarian free will is a myth is to introduce a logical paradox in that we disagree, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I  recently debated the relationship between libertarian freedom and God&#8217;s sovereignty with <a href="http://basketoffigs.blogspot.com/">a dean of a reformed seminary</a> in Colorado Springs. During our discussion He told me that libertarian freedom is a myth. Here&#8217;s my response:</p>
<blockquote><p>To claim that libertarian free will is a myth is to introduce a logical paradox in that we disagree, where do our disagreements and confusion come from if not from our own free wills/minds? Either we (and everything) is causally controlled (not just determined from eternity past) or we aren&#8217;t. If we are, and if you maintain that God is the puppeteer<sup>1</sup>, then God becomes the one who essentially disagrees with himself.</p>
<p>You also seem to be confused (as evidenced by the host of straw men you&#8217;ve managed to manufacture) as to the motives behind the desire of people like myself to uphold the doctrine of libertarian freedom<sup>2</sup>. You seem to think, along lines common to many Calvinists I&#8217;ve noticed, that my motives are to lower God or exalt man. Nothing could be farther from the truth which is quite the opposite. If we slaughter libertarian freedom (which includes the power to act against God&#8217;s wishes/will) then you end up pinning all sin, destruction, evil, etc. on God which, as Job&#8217;s friends quickly found out, brings God no glory.</p>
<p>The bottom line is that while not verse in Scripture trumps another<sup>3</sup>, it is our sacred duty to uphold all of the tenets of Scripture (including libertarian freedom and God&#8217;s predestining) with equal tenacity. If we uphold one aspect of God&#8217;s character above others we bring God no glory and do not do justice to a faithful and honest search for truth. God&#8217;s love or creative choice to allow conscious beings other than himself to exist is in no conflict with his sovereignty, omnipotence, or omniscience.</p></blockquote>
<ol class="footnotes"><li id="footnote_0_752" class="footnote">Calvinists whine about this comparison all the time claiming it is an unfair characterization. Unfortunately, the shoe fits and I haven&#8217;t heard a reformed person (who doesn&#8217;t hold to <a href="http://reasontostand.org/archives/2009/11/09/molinism-free-will-and-divine-sovereignty-living-in-harmony">Molinism</a>, which excludes them from being classically reformed) offer any reason why such a characterization is not warranted yet. I&#8217;m always open to rebuttals, though, so if you can offer a reason as to why this characterization doesn&#8217;t fit, feel free to comment below!</li><li id="footnote_1_752" class="footnote">Unfortunately many people who hold to reformed doctrine assume that opponents to the notion of <a href="http://reasontostand.org/archives/2009/12/02/wordy-wednesday-causal-determinism">causal determinism</a> (like me) hold their positions out of willful defiance or stubborn pride. Sadly, this shows how poorly educated even many proponents of reformed theology are. Sadder still is the fact that the existence of credentials (like a Phd.) makes little difference when it comes to willful ignorance of the honest philosophical difficulties detractors may have to their position.</li><li id="footnote_2_752" class="footnote">For the life of me I don&#8217;t understand why reformed proponents can&#8217;t accept that our differences lie not in the text, but in our interpretation of the text which includes our philosophical presuppositions. For this reason I loathe the challenge of &#8220;Oh yeah? Show me that <em>in scripture</em>!&#8221;</li></ol><p><a class="a2a_dd addtoany_share_save" href="http://www.addtoany.com/share_save"><img src="http://reasontostand.org/wp-content/plugins/add-to-any/share_save_171_16.png" width="171" height="16" alt="Share/Bookmark"/></a> </p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Wordy Wednesday: Counterfactual</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Wes Widner</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Counterfactuals are statements about &#8220;what might have been&#8221; regarding an event in time had circumstances been different.1 Counterfactual statements are characterized by the conditional keywords &#8220;if-then&#8221;, as in &#8220;if Obama had not raised the national debt to record levels, unemployment would have been much higher.&#8221; The &#8220;counter&#8221; part of a &#8220;counterfactual&#8221; statement is that such [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterfactual_conditional">Counterfactuals</a> are statements about &#8220;what might have been&#8221; regarding an event in time had circumstances been different.<sup>1</sup></p>
<p><a href="http://www.thefreedictionary.com/counterfactual">Counterfactual statements</a> are characterized by the conditional keywords &#8220;if-then&#8221;, as in &#8220;if Obama had not raised the national debt to record levels, unemployment would have been much higher.&#8221;</p>
<p>The &#8220;counter&#8221; part of a &#8220;counterfactual&#8221; statement is that such a statement may be true even through the event described never happened (or &#8220;obtained&#8221;). The value of such statements is only apparent if one assumes a non-<a href="http://reasontostand.org/archives/2009/12/02/wordy-wednesday-causal-determinism">causally deterministic</a> view of the universe where different circumstances (or decisions by causal agents) could have caused events to turn out differently.</p>
<p>Counterfactuals are intergal to the <a href="http://reasontostand.org/archives/2009/12/02/wordy-wednesday-causal-determinism">Molinistic</a> view of the relationship between the sovereignty of God and the limited causal agency of man (in other words, limited free will). Specifically, counterfactuals are what give us reason to believe in the existence of logically possible worlds and the notion that while God certainly does predestine all that happens<sup>2</sup> there exist truly free, albeit limited, causal agents such as humans and angels.</p>
<p>Verses that point to the existence of counterfactual (statements that can only be valid if there were a  logically possible world where the events described would have obtained if circumstances were different) are <a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jeremiah+38%3A17-18&version=47" target="_new">&#74;&#101;&#114;&#101;&#109;&#105;&#97;&#104;&#32;&#51;&#56;&#58;&#49;&#55;&#45;&#49;&#56;</a>, <a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Samuel+23%3A6-10&version=47" target="_new">&#49;&#32;&#83;&#97;&#109;&#117;&#101;&#108;&#32;&#50;&#51;&#58;&#54;&#45;&#49;&#48;</a>, <a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+11%3A23&version=47" target="_new">&#77;&#97;&#116;&#116;&#104;&#101;&#119;&#32;&#49;&#49;&#58;&#50;&#51;</a>, <a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+2%3A8&version=47" target="_new">&#49;&#32;&#67;&#111;&#114;&#105;&#110;&#116;&#104;&#105;&#97;&#110;&#115;&#32;&#50;&#58;&#56;</a>, <a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+15%3A22-24&version=47" target="_new">&#74;&#111;&#104;&#110;&#32;&#49;&#53;&#58;&#50;&#50;&#45;&#50;&#52;</a>, <a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+18%3A36&version=47" target="_new">&#74;&#111;&#104;&#110;&#32;&#49;&#56;&#58;&#51;&#54;</a>, <a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+4%3A24-46&version=47" target="_new">&#76;&#117;&#107;&#101;&#32;&#52;&#58;&#50;&#52;&#45;&#52;&#54;</a> and <a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+26%3A24&version=47" target="_new">&#77;&#97;&#116;&#116;&#104;&#101;&#119;&#32;&#50;&#54;&#58;&#50;&#52;</a></p>
<p>Note that each of the above statements would be rendered incoherent if they were not true in their counter (not obtained) factual (proposition of truth).</p>
<ol class="footnotes"><li id="footnote_0_817" class="footnote">For more information, <a href="http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/causation-counterfactual/">see Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy&#8217;s entry</a>.</li><li id="footnote_1_817" class="footnote">Since, out of all logically possible worlds, or potential worlds, He chose to actualize the one we are currently in.</li></ol><p><a class="a2a_dd addtoany_share_save" href="http://www.addtoany.com/share_save"><img src="http://reasontostand.org/wp-content/plugins/add-to-any/share_save_171_16.png" width="171" height="16" alt="Share/Bookmark"/></a> </p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>How does a belief in causal determinism influence how one lives?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 12:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Wes Widner</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A friend of mine recently asked what, if any, impact the belief in causal determinism (or lack thereof) has in practical day-to-day living. Here&#8217;s my answer: Well, one example to the contrary1 is this: I never locked my doors. This was because I believed that men had no free will and that not only were [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A friend of mine recently asked what, if any, impact the belief in <a href="http://reasontostand.org/archives/2009/12/02/wordy-wednesday-causal-determinism">causal determinism</a> (or lack thereof) has in practical day-to-day living. Here&#8217;s my answer:</p>
<blockquote><p>Well, one example to the contrary<sup>1</sup> is this:</p>
<p>I never locked my doors.</p>
<p>This was because I believed that men had no free will and that not only were all things determined, but that they were causally and directly brought about by God. So that, if someone were to break into my house or steal my car, or even if I or someone I loved were to become ill, such an event or circumstance would be directly caused by God himself so that any interference<sup>2</sup> would be bad and wrong<sup>3</sup>.</p>
<p>As you know, this view didn&#8217;t serve me very well practically<sup>4</sup> and the realization that we are commanded to take reasonable measures to secure what we are in charge of or responsible for (which includes people as well as possessions) led me to change my beliefs which, in turn, made me change my behavior.</p>
<p>I now lock my doors<sup>5</sup> as religiously as I kept them unlocked because my belief in causal determinism vs. limited freedom changed.</p></blockquote>
<ol class="footnotes"><li id="footnote_0_871" class="footnote">When I did hold to a view of causal determinism as a result of my commitment to <a href="http://reasontostand.org/archives/2009/01/04/why-i-am-not-a-5-point-calvinist">Calvinism</a>.</li><li id="footnote_1_871" class="footnote">I never did reconcile how all things could be causally determined and yet we still influence their outcomes. This lingering paradox also helped lead me to the abandonment of the belief in causal determinism.</li><li id="footnote_2_871" class="footnote">I used to hear all the time how we ought to never &#8220;get ahead of God&#8221; or interfere with &#8220;God&#8217;s plan&#8221;. such notions sound nice, but upon further examination they are neither logical nor Biblically mandated.</li><li id="footnote_3_871" class="footnote">My car was stolen, keys still in the ignition. This happened in the driveway next to our house, which also was not locked, which contained an infant and a 2 year old inside. Needless to say, this incident was a very clear catalyst to cause me to re-evaluate my beliefs on the matter.</li><li id="footnote_4_871" class="footnote">I still maintain that all events are predetermined, just not causally so such that my actions do not matter. For more information on how these seemingly opposing views can be safely reconciled to the detriment of neither, <a href="http://reasontostand.org/archives/2009/11/09/molinism-free-will-and-divine-sovereignty-living-in-harmony">see my previous post on Molinism</a>.</li></ol><p><a class="a2a_dd addtoany_share_save" href="http://www.addtoany.com/share_save"><img src="http://reasontostand.org/wp-content/plugins/add-to-any/share_save_171_16.png" width="171" height="16" alt="Share/Bookmark"/></a> </p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Wordy Wednesday: Causal determinism</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Wes Widner</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve used the phrase &#8220;causal determinism&#8221; quite a lot recently when talking about the doctrine of Middle Knowledge/Molinism and one of it&#8217;s chief competitors, the Calvinistic notion of soverigenty which posits God as being the one who &#8220;decrees all that comes to pass&#8221;. Since this isn&#8217;t a phrase that isn&#8217;t often used outside of philosophical [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve used the phrase &#8220;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Determinism">causal determinism</a>&#8221; quite a lot recently when talking about the doctrine of Middle Knowledge/Molinism and one of it&#8217;s chief competitors, the Calvinistic notion of soverigenty which posits God as being the one who &#8220;decrees all that comes to pass&#8221;.</p>
<p>Since this isn&#8217;t a phrase that isn&#8217;t often used outside of <a href="http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/determinism-causal/">philosophical circles</a>, I figured it would be helpful to take a minute and define this term and how it has a significant bearing on the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presupposition_(philosophy)">philosophical presuppositions</a> we filter everything, including our interpretation of Scripture, through.</p>
<p>Simply put, causal determinism is the notion that every event is directly caused or decreed either by an impersonal force like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moirae">the Fates</a> or <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destiny">destiny</a>, a natural series of causes and effects<sup>1</sup> constrained within a <a href="http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/determinism-causal/">causally closed</a> system<sup>2</sup>, or a personal deity like <a href="http://quranicteachings.co.uk/determinism.htm">Allah</a> or, as some suppose, the God of the Hebrew Scriptures.</p>
<p>A more in-depth study regarding the validity of the notion of causal determinism<sup>3</sup> is beyond the scope of this post. My intention here is to merely present the term for edification and clarification in the future as we explore what I believe to be one of the most significant divisions within all of Christendom. Indeed, I would argue (elsewhere of course) that the abandonment of causal determinism is one of the defining characteristics of Christianity.</p>
<ol class="footnotes"><li id="footnote_0_624" class="footnote">Think about the famous, but hopelessly simplistic, debate regarding <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nature_versus_nurture">nature vs. nurture</a></li><li id="footnote_1_624" class="footnote">That is, the notion that there are no non-material influences or causes. No souls or wills. <a href="http://www.metanexus.net/Magazine/tabid/68/id/10864/Default.aspx">Your mind is merely a biological information processing unit.</a></li><li id="footnote_2_624" class="footnote">Or, as <a href="http://turretinfan.blogspot.com">Turretinfan</a> asserts, <a href="http://turretinfan.blogspot.com/2009/11/responding-to-wes-widner.html"><em>oozes from Scripture</em></a></li></ol><p><a class="a2a_dd addtoany_share_save" href="http://www.addtoany.com/share_save"><img src="http://reasontostand.org/wp-content/plugins/add-to-any/share_save_171_16.png" width="171" height="16" alt="Share/Bookmark"/></a> </p>]]></content:encoded>
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