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> <channel><title>Comments on: More on homosexual marriage.</title> <atom:link href="http://reasontostand.org/archives/2010/06/14/more-on-homosexual-marriage/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://reasontostand.org/archives/2010/06/14/more-on-homosexual-marriage</link> <description>Faith strengthened through evidence.</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 14:39:04 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: kai5263499</title><link>http://reasontostand.org/archives/2010/06/14/more-on-homosexual-marriage/comment-page-1#comment-641</link> <dc:creator>kai5263499</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 11:21:05 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://reasontostand.org/?p=1388#comment-641</guid> <description>There is a very large difference between free riders or participants in a system that enjoy the benefits of a system without contributing back into it vs. what I will call hostile riders or those who not only fail to contribute back into a system but actively seek to destroy it either implicitly (which, as I noted above will be the outcome if homosexual marriage is accepted as a viable legal option) or explicitly (which many GLBT leaders have made statements to the effect of).
I also want to point out that I find the whole stance of biology not applying here to be quite absurd. Especially since most people who are proponents of homosexual marriage are also proponents of natural selection in particular and nature in general. Even though this is a clear case of nature and natural selection being wholly against the cause (of homosexual marriage) most proponents somehow manage to ignore the cognitive dissonance created by the tension in these two opposing views and, instead, doggedly argue for he acceptance of something that they would otherwise be wholly opposed to if cold hard logic were the only factor in this debate.
But it isn&#039;t the only factor in this debate is it?
I would argue that most people argue for the acceptance of gay marriage because they really want to justify their own aberrant sexual practices. Practices such as premarital sexual relations and extramarital sexual relations (adultery). Yes, both of these are inherently against the institution of marriage as well and both of these have real social consequences (just take a look at what has happened ever since we introduced the toxic notion of no-fault divorce).
You are right that ultimately my reasons for opposing same-sex unions stems from my theological beliefs. However there are equally strong secular reasons  &lt;a href=&quot;http:// &lt;a href=&quot;http://(http://bit.ly/9SqGwf)&quot;&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;(http://bit.ly/9SqGwf)&quot;&lt;/a&gt; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://(http://bit.ly/9SqGwf)&lt;/a&gt;&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;(http://bit.ly/9SqGwf)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt; as well, the chief among these is actually the exact opposite of the oft-repeated myth of &quot;overpopulation&quot;. The truth is that most 1st world countries who have embraced this highly illogical myth have recently found themselves in a severe population crisis thanks to the related social and political policies enacted to &quot;curb&quot; this imaginary problem. The truth, however, is that an increased population is always good for a society and our aversion to encouraging the production of children along with our lack of emphasis on the best environment in which these children are to be raised is quite troubling and does not bode well for us as a society.
Simply put, the social cost of replacing the various aspects of a healthy family with artificial creations of the state are enormous. A price I would rather we not pay. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a very large difference between free riders or participants in a system that enjoy the benefits of a system without contributing back into it vs. what I will call hostile riders or those who not only fail to contribute back into a system but actively seek to destroy it either implicitly (which, as I noted above will be the outcome if homosexual marriage is accepted as a viable legal option) or explicitly (which many GLBT leaders have made statements to the effect of).</p><p>I also want to point out that I find the whole stance of biology not applying here to be quite absurd. Especially since most people who are proponents of homosexual marriage are also proponents of natural selection in particular and nature in general. Even though this is a clear case of nature and natural selection being wholly against the cause (of homosexual marriage) most proponents somehow manage to ignore the cognitive dissonance created by the tension in these two opposing views and, instead, doggedly argue for he acceptance of something that they would otherwise be wholly opposed to if cold hard logic were the only factor in this debate.</p><p>But it isn&#039;t the only factor in this debate is it?</p><p>I would argue that most people argue for the acceptance of gay marriage because they really want to justify their own aberrant sexual practices. Practices such as premarital sexual relations and extramarital sexual relations (adultery). Yes, both of these are inherently against the institution of marriage as well and both of these have real social consequences (just take a look at what has happened ever since we introduced the toxic notion of no-fault divorce).</p><p>You are right that ultimately my reasons for opposing same-sex unions stems from my theological beliefs. However there are equally strong secular reasons <a
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href="http://bit.ly/9SqGwf" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/9SqGwf</a>) as well, the chief among these is actually the exact opposite of the oft-repeated myth of &quot;overpopulation&quot;. The truth is that most 1st world countries who have embraced this highly illogical myth have recently found themselves in a severe population crisis thanks to the related social and political policies enacted to &quot;curb&quot; this imaginary problem. The truth, however, is that an increased population is always good for a society and our aversion to encouraging the production of children along with our lack of emphasis on the best environment in which these children are to be raised is quite troubling and does not bode well for us as a society.</p><p>Simply put, the social cost of replacing the various aspects of a healthy family with artificial creations of the state are enormous. A price I would rather we not pay.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Pvblivs</title><link>http://reasontostand.org/archives/2010/06/14/more-on-homosexual-marriage/comment-page-1#comment-640</link> <dc:creator>Pvblivs</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 05:58:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://reasontostand.org/?p=1388#comment-640</guid> <description>Since we can establish that the stated reason is not widely held (due to a pronounced lack of activity on its other necessary implications) I then turn to addressing what a likely real reason for the opposition is.  It is my assessment that the real reason is based on a &quot;holy book.&quot;
Note also that I don&#039;t need to claim that interracial marriage and homosexual marriage are identical in order to determine that they are opposed for a reason common to both of them.  Wolves and lions are different animals; but farmers oppose their presence for the same reason -- to prevent consumption of their livestock.  In the same manner, opponents of both interracial marriage and homosexual marriage interpret their holy book to call those things an &quot;abomination.&quot; </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since we can establish that the stated reason is not widely held (due to a pronounced lack of activity on its other necessary implications) I then turn to addressing what a likely real reason for the opposition is.  It is my assessment that the real reason is based on a &quot;holy book.&quot;</p><p>Note also that I don&#039;t need to claim that interracial marriage and homosexual marriage are identical in order to determine that they are opposed for a reason common to both of them.  Wolves and lions are different animals; but farmers oppose their presence for the same reason &#8212; to prevent consumption of their livestock.  In the same manner, opponents of both interracial marriage and homosexual marriage interpret their holy book to call those things an &quot;abomination.&quot;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Pvblivs</title><link>http://reasontostand.org/archives/2010/06/14/more-on-homosexual-marriage/comment-page-1#comment-639</link> <dc:creator>Pvblivs</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 05:57:59 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://reasontostand.org/?p=1388#comment-639</guid> <description>I don&#039;t care if you use the term &quot;free rider&quot; here.  My point is that objections are not raised to those who marry and yet do not produce children.  I called the argument from biology a &quot;sound bite&quot; for a reason.  The lack of objection in the instance I pointed out shows that the biological objection to homosexual marriage is insincere.  That there is no law stating that marriages which fail to produce children are void speaks volumes.  If you can show that you, personally, have argued against childless heterosexual marriages, then you will demonstrate that the reason is authentic for you.  But many people only seem to care about the biological reason when applying it to homosexual couples.  For most people, the reason is a fake.  (Incidentally, until the populations of major cities go back to being measured in thousands, rather than millions, I will state that the government has no business encouraging reproduction.  Enough of it is occuring without encouragement.) </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t care if you use the term &quot;free rider&quot; here.  My point is that objections are not raised to those who marry and yet do not produce children.  I called the argument from biology a &quot;sound bite&quot; for a reason.  The lack of objection in the instance I pointed out shows that the biological objection to homosexual marriage is insincere.  That there is no law stating that marriages which fail to produce children are void speaks volumes.  If you can show that you, personally, have argued against childless heterosexual marriages, then you will demonstrate that the reason is authentic for you.  But many people only seem to care about the biological reason when applying it to homosexual couples.  For most people, the reason is a fake.  (Incidentally, until the populations of major cities go back to being measured in thousands, rather than millions, I will state that the government has no business encouraging reproduction.  Enough of it is occuring without encouragement.)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Wes Widner</title><link>http://reasontostand.org/archives/2010/06/14/more-on-homosexual-marriage/comment-page-1#comment-635</link> <dc:creator>Wes Widner</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 23:34:05 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://reasontostand.org/?p=1388#comment-635</guid> <description>Did you not read my article above? I outline exactly why the racial argument not only fails to hold water but actually strengthens a specifically Christian world-view through it&#039;s exclusive and curious notion that all humans are created equal. Something that naturalism cannot support.
As for those who are married and yet do not produce children. There is an economic term for people who enjoy the benefits of a system and yet who do not contribute. They are called &quot;free riders&quot;. You might prefer the term &quot;exceptions&quot;. However exceptions do nothing to the rule. And the rule, like it or not, is biology which means that homosexuality no matter how you slice it is a perversion. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you not read my article above? I outline exactly why the racial argument not only fails to hold water but actually strengthens a specifically Christian world-view through it&#039;s exclusive and curious notion that all humans are created equal. Something that naturalism cannot support.</p><p>As for those who are married and yet do not produce children. There is an economic term for people who enjoy the benefits of a system and yet who do not contribute. They are called &quot;free riders&quot;. You might prefer the term &quot;exceptions&quot;. However exceptions do nothing to the rule. And the rule, like it or not, is biology which means that homosexuality no matter how you slice it is a perversion.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Pvblivs</title><link>http://reasontostand.org/archives/2010/06/14/more-on-homosexual-marriage/comment-page-1#comment-634</link> <dc:creator>Pvblivs</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 21:06:15 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://reasontostand.org/?p=1388#comment-634</guid> <description>My thoughs:  Same-sex marriage is opposed for precisely the same reason that interracial marriage was opposed.  There are people that want to feel smug and beat outsiders over the head with their holy book.  The fact that same-sex couples cannot reproduce is not an actual reason, but rather a sound bite.  (People who are sterile or who decide not to reproduce are not denied marriage.) </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My thoughs:  Same-sex marriage is opposed for precisely the same reason that interracial marriage was opposed.  There are people that want to feel smug and beat outsiders over the head with their holy book.  The fact that same-sex couples cannot reproduce is not an actual reason, but rather a sound bite.  (People who are sterile or who decide not to reproduce are not denied marriage.)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: More on homosexual marriage. &#124; Reason To Stand &#124; Gay Be Gone</title><link>http://reasontostand.org/archives/2010/06/14/more-on-homosexual-marriage/comment-page-1#comment-632</link> <dc:creator>More on homosexual marriage. &#124; Reason To Stand &#124; Gay Be Gone</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 19:05:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://reasontostand.org/?p=1388#comment-632</guid> <description>[...] See the article here: More on homosexual marriage. &#124; Reason To Stand [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] See the article here: More on homosexual marriage. | Reason To Stand [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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