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	<title>Comments on: Are women ever &#8220;asking&#8221; to be raped?</title>
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		<title>By: Wes Widner</title>
		<link>http://reasontostand.org/archives/2010/02/05/are-women-ever-asking-to-be-raped/comment-page-1#comment-205</link>
		<dc:creator>Wes Widner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never claimed that the mugger or rapist&#039;s deplorable deeds or culpability were lessened at all by the actions of their victim. What I am stating quite simply is that the woman (or man)&#039;s choice to act in a foolish manner invites a beating in much the same way as the fool mentioned in Proverbs 18:6.  
 
I&#039;m also not sure what you mean by &quot;pastoral care&quot;. Is it any different than the love and care we are all supposed to show one another or are you talking about a special gift that some members of the body, who aren&#039;t necessarily &quot;pastors&quot; posses? At any rate, I don&#039;t see how the addition of &quot;preventive counseling&quot; designed to make one wiser and less likely to fall prey to the general sin and degredation we find in our fallen world could not be included in the list of things that need to be addressed. 
 
With this question of &quot;are women ever asking to be raped?&quot; I want you and others to know that the people I think most about are my wife and daughter. I encourage them both to be wise, not to walk down a street at night without good reason or protection (which means a gun and proper training). I also encourage them to not dress in an intentionally provocative manner (though my wife can&#039;t help but dress provocatively for one particular man).  
 
Will these measures ensure their safety with a 100% certainty? Absolutely not! But they WILL ensure that the risk they place themselves in will be lessened. 
 
Would I love them less or care for them less or treat them like horrible sinners if they ignore my encouragement and act foolishly? Absolutely not! However it would grieve my heart (as I&#039;m sure our actions grieve God&#039;s heart) if they ignore my wise counsel (gleaned, by the way, from God&#039;s Word) and walk into easily avoidable traps. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never claimed that the mugger or rapist&#039;s deplorable deeds or culpability were lessened at all by the actions of their victim. What I am stating quite simply is that the woman (or man)&#039;s choice to act in a foolish manner invites a beating in much the same way as the fool mentioned in Proverbs 18:6.  </p>
<p>I&#039;m also not sure what you mean by &quot;pastoral care&quot;. Is it any different than the love and care we are all supposed to show one another or are you talking about a special gift that some members of the body, who aren&#039;t necessarily &quot;pastors&quot; posses? At any rate, I don&#039;t see how the addition of &quot;preventive counseling&quot; designed to make one wiser and less likely to fall prey to the general sin and degredation we find in our fallen world could not be included in the list of things that need to be addressed. </p>
<p>With this question of &quot;are women ever asking to be raped?&quot; I want you and others to know that the people I think most about are my wife and daughter. I encourage them both to be wise, not to walk down a street at night without good reason or protection (which means a gun and proper training). I also encourage them to not dress in an intentionally provocative manner (though my wife can&#039;t help but dress provocatively for one particular man).  </p>
<p>Will these measures ensure their safety with a 100% certainty? Absolutely not! But they WILL ensure that the risk they place themselves in will be lessened. </p>
<p>Would I love them less or care for them less or treat them like horrible sinners if they ignore my encouragement and act foolishly? Absolutely not! However it would grieve my heart (as I&#039;m sure our actions grieve God&#039;s heart) if they ignore my wise counsel (gleaned, by the way, from God&#039;s Word) and walk into easily avoidable traps.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Mordecai</title>
		<link>http://reasontostand.org/archives/2010/02/05/are-women-ever-asking-to-be-raped/comment-page-1#comment-203</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Mordecai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course it is foolish to be inebriated and dress slutty, but that is far from the point. If a woman takes a dark alley shortcut late at night, she&#039;s acting foolishly, but she&#039;s are not asking to get mugged. The situation you described is no different other than the fact that there are moral implications for sluttiness and intoxication. Sure they are sin, and they are unwise, but this does not lessen the rape. 
 
The last thing that a raped woman needs to hear about are the ways that she can be held partially responsible. She needs professional attention and pastoral care.  
 
Furthermore, in the event that a woman actually was falsely reporting a rape, there is something deeper to it that still needs to be addressed pastorally, especially considering that she could be responsible for costing the innocently accused a decade in jail. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course it is foolish to be inebriated and dress slutty, but that is far from the point. If a woman takes a dark alley shortcut late at night, she&#039;s acting foolishly, but she&#039;s are not asking to get mugged. The situation you described is no different other than the fact that there are moral implications for sluttiness and intoxication. Sure they are sin, and they are unwise, but this does not lessen the rape. </p>
<p>The last thing that a raped woman needs to hear about are the ways that she can be held partially responsible. She needs professional attention and pastoral care.  </p>
<p>Furthermore, in the event that a woman actually was falsely reporting a rape, there is something deeper to it that still needs to be addressed pastorally, especially considering that she could be responsible for costing the innocently accused a decade in jail.</p>
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		<title>By: Wes Widner</title>
		<link>http://reasontostand.org/archives/2010/02/05/are-women-ever-asking-to-be-raped/comment-page-1#comment-202</link>
		<dc:creator>Wes Widner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 15:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s sick and twisted to say that actions have consequences and that it is our responsibility to mitigate those consequences as much as possible by paying attention to what wisdom teaches, ESPECIALLY when it comes to the way of righteousness? 
 
I think you may want to go back and read Proverbs because what I said above is wholly in line with the way the Bible views responsibility and the consequences of foolish choices (of which intentionally dressing in a suggestive manner are certainly one). </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#039;s sick and twisted to say that actions have consequences and that it is our responsibility to mitigate those consequences as much as possible by paying attention to what wisdom teaches, ESPECIALLY when it comes to the way of righteousness? </p>
<p>I think you may want to go back and read Proverbs because what I said above is wholly in line with the way the Bible views responsibility and the consequences of foolish choices (of which intentionally dressing in a suggestive manner are certainly one).</p>
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		<title>By: tgpo</title>
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		<dc:creator>tgpo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 15:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So in a nutshell, you&#039;re saying that indeed some women are asking for it by drinking, or wearing suggestive clothing, or being a stripper? What a sick and twisted view. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So in a nutshell, you&#039;re saying that indeed some women are asking for it by drinking, or wearing suggestive clothing, or being a stripper? What a sick and twisted view.</p>
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